Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

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@Redhalberd @ Sep 3 2007

But 072, how can you say that the previous primes have better controls? I haven’t played it, but you’re the ONLY one ANYWHERE Ive heard to say that.

Why?

I just don’t feel completely in control. I think that the 'Cube games had perfect controls, and much more freedom.

072 likes his Metroid to never evolve, so that’s why he hates on the new stuff.

And if green evolves into blue, should it still be my favorite color? I don’t hate blue, I’m just concerned about the future of my beloved green.

• The music seems a little lacking. The tracks it HAS are good, but there are a few tiny things that irk me. Recycled tracks from Prime 1, no menu theme (as opposed to title theme), and some of the music sounds like it was ripped from Halo. I honestly prefer Prime 1’s music to this.

Actually, I think that Kenji pulled through on this one-- some new atmospheric music mixed in with the old stuff. Sure, a few remixes would have been nice, but it’s all good.

[Dazuro]

@Redhalberd @ Sep 2 2007

@Dragon @ Sep 3 2007

One reason why I really enjoyed Prime 3 was because it wasn’t a complete clone of the original, it played different and had plenty of new features, which all seemed to work well in the end. I agree with Axion about the Dark Samus spirit thing, I really expected it to have some meaning in the end of the game.

Another spoiler question***********

Is there any Red phazon in the game? It would piss me off severely if they didn’t explain it.

Well, Phazite is said to be made from Phazon, and there’s Red Phazite, described as a very rare version. So while I don’t believe red Phazon itself makes an appearance, its origins are implied as simply a rare mutation or something.

[Got_Metroid]

I don’t like how much they revealed about the Fed.

I liked it when they were just in the background and were mysterious. Now we learn a little too much about them.

[Antidote]

<.< I’m looking for the SA right now. My pet peeve right now is that Ghor was a little too easy for me. Guess I’ll have to try Veteran eventually Oh well >.<

Oh who else got pwnt by Mogenar D:

[Redhalberd]

@Dazuro @ Sep 3 2007

@Redhalberd @ Sep 2 2007

@Dragon @ Sep 3 2007

One reason why I really enjoyed Prime 3 was because it wasn’t a complete clone of the original, it played different and had plenty of new features, which all seemed to work well in the end. I agree with Axion about the Dark Samus spirit thing, I really expected it to have some meaning in the end of the game.

Another spoiler question***********

Is there any Red phazon in the game? It would piss me off severely if they didn’t explain it.

Well, Phazite is said to be made from Phazon, and there’s Red Phazite, described as a very rare version. So while I don’t believe red Phazon itself makes an appearance, its origins are implied as simply a rare mutation or something.

Well I don’t know what phazite is, but I’d rather not have it spoiled for me.

But does it explain Metroid’s relation to phazon? Do we learn about the origins of metroid prime and stuff?

Is metroid prime even really a metroid?

By the way, you guys should realy click this.

[Dazuro]

Kinda. There’s one scan late in the game that’s very fucking hard to get thanks to the way the aiming system works, that explains exactly what happens after a Leviathan lands, and implies that what happened on Tallon IV was this:

MASSIVE SPOILERS FOLLOW:

The Worm in the chozo lores was not Metroid Prime. It was a Leviathan larva. Somehow, it got its hands on a metroid (perhaps the chozo used it to combat the invader, or perhaps they brought some with them to Tallon IV by chance) and transformed it into a guardian for its Seed, as they tend to take a “local predator” for this purpose. It is not explained whether this occurs before or after the Chozo form their shields around it, but Prime exoskeletons are found around the larvas lair late in the game.

[Redhalberd]

@Dazuro @ Sep 3 2007

Kinda. There’s one scan late in the game that’s very fucking hard to get thanks to the way the aiming system works, that explains exactly what happens after a Leviathan lands, and implies that what happened on Tallon IV was this:

MASSIVE SPOILERS FOLLOW:

The Worm in the chozo lores was not Metroid Prime. It was a Leviathan larva. Somehow, it got its hands on a metroid (perhaps the chozo used it to combat the invader, or perhaps they brought some with them to Tallon IV by chance) and transformed it into a guardian for its Seed, as they tend to take a “local predator” for this purpose. It is not explained whether this occurs before or after the Chozo form their shields around it, but Prime exoskeletons are found around the larvas lair late in the game.

Yes, EXACTLY.

That’s actually a very satisfying answer. I’m glad they didn’t screw that up.

So the Chozo must have had metroids on Tallon IV before the space pirates arrived.

So whenever a planet is corrupted by a leviathen, it takes a local life form, and mutates it?

But are these creatures the equivalent of the prime Exo, or prime essense?

[Dazuro]

The essence was its true form, but I’m not sure where the exoskeleton came from. Scans in the first game implied they were pirate-made, but there are no pirates on Phaaze, so why would exoskeletons be there?

[Redhalberd]

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@Dazuro @ Sep 3 2007

The essence was its true form, but I’m not sure where the exoskeleton came from.? Scans in the first game implied they were pirate-made, but there are no pirates on Phaaze, so why would exoskeletons be there?

Well I assume that the exoskeleton itself is part of the Leviathen, but it’s beam attacks/missles etc… came from the pirates.

Mabye it absorbing the weapons and stuff made it grow faster, but i twould have eventually reached that point.

EDIT:
HERE WE GO. So here’s SOLID proof that Aurora units are based on Motherbrain. Found on Wikipedia, though it’s clearly somewhere in the game.

On the planet Elysia, the Chozo created hundreds of pods in the sky, called SkyTown, since the planet’s surface could not be reached due to the thick clouds. Eventually, they created the Elysians, a machine race which could think for themselves. The Elysians guarded SkyTown, even after the Chozo left. Eventually, they fell into a deep sleep, seeing the fate of the Chozo on Tallon IV. They woke when the Federation came to Elysia. The Elysians and Federation reached a truce, and the Elysians suggested that the Federation build organic supercomputers that would come to be known as Aurora Units.

Double edit:
I’d also like to say that I watched the video, and I’m SURE this is the Delano 7. The design is slightly different, but it’s clearly the same ship.

MASSIVE SPOILERS****************************

[Troid92]

Beat it finally. I had to leave on a 5-day trip to New Haven when I only had about 3 hours left in the game. >_<

Here are my thoughts:

@Spoilers

Rotate Wii remote counterclockwise. Point Wii remote at screen and pull away. Point Wii remote at screen and push forward. Rotate Wii remote clockwise. Rotate Wii remote counterclockwise. Point Wii remote at screen and pull away. Point Wii remote at screen and push forward. Rotate Wii remote clockwise. Rotate Wii remote counterclockwise. Point Wii remote at screen and pull away. Point Wii remote at screen and push forward. Rotate Wii remote clockwise. Rotate Wii remote counterclockwise. Shake off Gandraya. Point Wii remote at screen and pull away. Point Wii remote at screen and push forward. Rotate Wii remote clockwise. Rotate Wii remote counterclockwise. Point Wii remote at screen and pull away. Point Wii remote at screen and push forward. Rotate Wii remote clockwise. Shake off Gandraya. Rotate Wii remote counterclockwise. Point Wii remote at screen and pull away. Point Wii remote at screen and push forward. Shake off Gandraya. Rotate Wii remote clockwise. Rotate Wii remote counterclockwise. Shake off Gandraya. Point Wii remote at screen and pull away. Point Wii remote at screen and push forward. Shake off Gandraya. Rotate Wii remote clockwise. Shake off Gandraya. Shake off Gandraya. Shake off Gandraya.[/color]

Yeah. They really should have stopped showing those after the first few times, because it’s not that hard to figure out on your own. I also thought the entire game was ridiculously easy, and it was one of those games where, knowing that I will never see it normally, I die on purpose just to witness what happens. But I suppose that’s what I get for playing in normal mode for my first playthrough.

@Spoilers

Next time I’m skipping right to hyper mode difficulty.[/color]

More seriously, now:

@Spoilers

It wasn’t as good as Prime. But it wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be.

Just about all of my issues and concerns with the game before it came out were true about the final game… but less. Multiple planets didn’t ruin the game, because they did act as simply a teleporter system between different areas, something I was saying Metroid really needed more of. There weren’t that many planets/stations to visit either, making the worlds larger than you’d think. I was very glad about that.

The voice acting, other than Gandraya’s sickening voice, attitude, and dialog, didn’t ruin the game. That said, it was nowhere NEAR being that great. Every single character had the most cliche, overused, generic voices. Each male worker on the GF ship was either Buzz Lightyear or higher-in-pitch Buzz Lightyear, the GF troops were radio-fuzzed army men, that commander guy was SO cheesy and cliche, etc. Rundas and Ghor probably had the best voices, but you barely even got to meet them. Still, the voice acting didn’t get in the way of the experience as much as I thought it would…

Aside from voice acting, I really wish they would have done more with Ghor before he was corrupted. He was an interesting character based on the GF log about him, but in-game we never even got to see some of the things they said about him. Oh well.

The story was horribly cheesy at times, but since I was expecting the absolute worst I could imagine, it ended up being okay. I still wish they could’ve told us where phazon actually came from in the first place. Not just planet Phaaze; we all knew there was a planet made of phazon. Why did phazon develop there in the first place?

Graphic-wise, I thought this game usually looked better than Prime just because of some of the great textures. Other places looked too much like Dark Aether, though: lots of black with overused clashing red or other colors. I mostly got used to the overused particles and bloom lighting, but I still found myself occasionally switching to the scan visor just to get rid of it, when things just glowed too much or looked too cartoony. But a few bloomless places in Bryyo and SkyTown were just amazing to look at.

The mixed soundtrack made the game feel like a fangame at times. Some of the original tracks were awesome, like Bryyo’s main blue sky theme and the one that plays just beyond the GF ship landed on Bryyo (the room with the statue that hops up and down the shaft). Most of the boss themes seemed too much like overused synth effects. None of them captured the wacky and freaky phazon style as well as the Impact Crater area and battles in MP. The edits of tracks from prior games may have been good, but for those of us who have played the prior games, they just felt awkward and stood out. Then of course, there were the loads of reused tracks from Metroid Prime and some from MP2. Even quick 2-hour whipped-together tracks are better than those, and I wish they would’ve just done that instead. At least they didn’t go ahead and throw in some Metroid Metal while they were at it.

There are tons of other things I’d like to mention, but I’ll cut my review off here. If Metroid Prime was 10, I’d give this game a 7. It was definitely a fresh experience, and I definitely enjoyed playing it, even if it’s not one of my favorite games of all time.[/color]

[Redhalberd]

Yay.

The good news is, I have the game, and the guide (though I dont plan to use/abuse it the first run through).

edit:
The game feels amazing.

I just beat the Bezerker Lord. It’s fun, and it feels intuitive (I have redsteel, so I stepped into the shoes easily).

I just have on complaint…THAT STUPID JUGGLING GAME!!!

I can’t seem to get 20 juggles. I got up to 19 once, and 10 minutes later, I couldn’t beat it. >_<
I’ve reset a couple times so it wont affect my end time.

[Algernon]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic

[Redhalberd]

@Algernon @ Sep 7 2007

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic

I’m not sure where this falls in the topic…

[Luminous_Reaver]

@After the third beam

I’m so freaking stuck helping the GF Demolition crew through the pirate infested place D:[/color]

[Dazuro]

Well, if you use the X-Ray visor, the Nova Beam can OHKO Commandos. That’s pretty much the only way to do the last room with no losses. As for the rest, just be strategic with your use of the Hyper Mode and remember that there is plenty of health in boxes. Try to go Corrupt as often as possible and let it last the full 25 seconds to get the most out of it.

[Luminous_Reaver]

@Spoiler

I can make it if I use Hyper-mode or if I settle for anything less than twelve. I’ve only used twenty hyper-modes so far. And the Commando thing was cool when I first discovered it. I try to kill the Aero Troopers with missiles so they explode instead of kamikaze-ing and I try to jump into the bigger slower projectiles. I kill the non-hypered guys first since hypered ones take too long. (I just strafe around them in circles till they’re done) The berserker usually kills two guys, though.[/color]

[Troid92]

@Redhalberd @ Sep 7 2007

@Algernon @ Sep 7 2007

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic

I’m not sure where this falls in the topic…

It’s no longer the current strip.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/09/05

[edthedestroyer]

Holy crap guy Hyper-mode is fuckhard. Rundas is near impossible if you can’t shoot out his Thardus-style ice chunks. I’m stuck on Helios <_>
Hyper mode Difficulty is just that, you must master every aspect of hyper-mode to even have a slight chance of surviving.

[Redhalberd]

@edthedestroyer @ Sep 8 2007

Holy crap guy Hyper-mode is fuckhard. Rundas is near impossible if you can’t shoot out his Thardus-style ice chunks. I’m stuck on Helios <_>
Hyper mode Difficulty is just that, you must master every aspect of hyper-mode to even have a slight chance of surviving.

Wait, so are you STUCK in hypermode the whole time? Or is it just fricken hard.

Anyway, I just beat Rundas, and the battle was fricken awsome. The music, and the ice effects really created an awsome feeling. The way he runs looks kinda funny though.

But after I beat him, it just felt like a waste of a cool character. They really didn’t give the hunters a chance to be anyone.

Also, I don’t like the way they edited the original corruption scene. In the original one dark samus shocked everybody while they were on the ground and stuff. It felt a little underdramatic.

[Troid92]

@Redhalberd @ Sep 3 2007

I’d also like to say that I watched the video, and I’m SURE this is the Delano 7. The design is slightly different, but it’s clearly the same ship.

MASSIVE SPOILERS****************************

Ugh. Those images of the real Delano 7 on the right are so blurred that you can hardly even tell that they’re totally different.

Here, let’s use the actual model.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/37/dela…tdelano7hj7.png
Yes, it looks like they’re facing opposite directions and therefore look a little more different than they should. But still. If those colors and that design could be considered Sylux’s ship, then it could really be anybody’s ship. Rundas, Ghor, Dark Samus, or Weavel could just as fittingly be the pilot…