Hunter vs. Spartan 117

Coolman75 · February 4, 2006, 2:28am

troid92 @ Feb 3 2006:

MetroidSlayer17 @ Feb 3 2006:

Troid- Yes, 3D models have pixels. But, they are on a polygonal surface, as the skin. By pixels I meant on a flat horizontal plane. But, I’m not saying that they use that as their primary way to develop (“this model should be 47 feet tall”) but that, using a scale, you could set a value on a flat plane, to use as 2D measurements (like the waypoints in Halo.)

And, some games do use them rather heavily. Ever played Far Cry? That game measures in ‘units,’ (meters, if I remember right), but, what I am saying is that these units could be set to represent a measurement, say, a foot.

Also, way to villainize a fully explained comment.

MC does have the Sniper Rifles, which are almost as accurate as real ones.

I don’t know how to explain this to you. I know Small Arms. I know more about them than you do. To anyone who has seen the variety of projectiles thrown from the variety of devices, from M1 Garands at about 2700 FPS, to 7.62 firearms at 2400 FPS, to .223’s at 2200 FPS, to puny Airsoft guns at 200-300 FPS, from Paintball guns at barely 100 FPS, trying to save gas. I have seen shotguns from 12 gauge to .410. I have seen all manner of handgun- Glock, Sig, PPK, FN, HK, you name it.

I know how fast that damned rocket is moving.

In fact, someone with way too much time on their hands has dissected the Halo 1
damage system, and I have based my reports on that, with Chief having 99 energy, and added in the Halo 2 counterparts, which are more or less copies.

Did you know that a tree is an object? That SB would be colliding with billions of things per second.

You overrate the homing abilities. Sure, they home in, but what is to stop Chief from shooting them out of the air if Samus can? Also, he could walk behind cover and the missile would inneffectually hit the cover.

At 1 mile away, Samus would have one second to move her body two feet to get out of the way, if chief shot at her vitals (middle of the chest, around the sternum.) She would have no indication of the shot (the bullet travels faster than the sound), and she would not be able to dash that fast.

No, models do not have pixels. You’re talking about the textures . But yeah, I understand what you were saying now. Still, it would be guessing, and being just an inch off would make a big difference.

No, I have never played Far Cry. I figured that some games would use them, but I didn’t think Halo did. Does Halo?
…
Sorry, I’ve never really played Halo; I’ve only seen gameplay footage on TV too many times.

You’re welcome…

Really? … I still don’t think they could be that accurate. Maybe he does have the same weapons we have today, but that doesn’t make them exactly the same. We should be leaving them the way they are in the game. Otherwise… Samus super-flamethrower-of-doom, anyone?

5 + 6. Okay, okay, okay. It’s just the way you were saying that before made it seem like you were just making it all up. Especially with the rocket.
Again, though, we should be leaving them the way they are in the game, instead of changing them into what they are in real life.

Okay. …

Why wouldn’t a tree be an object? … The SB collides with only the first solid object it encounters. …Or rather, the first solid object that’s big enough to cause the whole thing to stop. You know what I meant.

What weapons would MC be using to shoot Samus’s homing weapons down? Tell me. What could stop a wave shot in its path? Or, like Daz said, pure energy? Or what about an annihilator shot? Certainly not normal explosives or little bullets.

You make it sound like Samus would just be standing still, playing GameBoy inside her visor, with nowhere in sight to hide, and MC would be up on a large cliff three miles away with all the time he needs to sit there and aim at her.

@CoolMan: Samus can only target things nearby. It’s definitely too far when MC is miles away.

I thought they would be dueling, not miles away. Cuz if they were miles away, Samus wouldn’t stand a chance. Ever played Spires in multiplayer? Samus’s beams disapear BEFORE THEY EVEN GET TO THE OTHER SIDE! But if the were close… That’s a whole different story.

magmoormaster · February 6, 2006, 11:54pm

yes, but samus has super reflexes and the sr has n undeniable trail

Got_Metroid · February 7, 2006, 12:29am

Sr?

XMegadragon · February 7, 2006, 3:11am

What’s MC? Does the C stand for Chief?

And, like GM just said, what’s SR, too?

EDIT: Oh, at the poll it said Master Chief. Whoops… never mind…

magmoormaster · February 7, 2006, 9:37pm

sniper rifle.
rl-rocket launcher
pp-plasma pistol
pr-plasma rifle
etc

Metroid_Fanatic · February 7, 2006, 9:39pm

…

That’s like saying "Yeah, dad, I’m going to the mm to pick up some e&g, and maybe while I’m at it, i’ll get some pb&j

magmoormaster · February 8, 2006, 9:28pm

not really. in other threads here,ive seen mp(metroid prime) ds(dark samus)… you name it
oh and whats mm, e&g

Coolman75 · February 8, 2006, 11:13pm

You souldn’t know. Thats the magic of it.

magmoormaster · February 8, 2006, 11:42pm

let me guess…
mm minute mart?
e&g eggs and…oh, i dont know…

Metroid_Fanatic · February 9, 2006, 12:36am

mm = Minute mart

e&g = …I can’t even remember, lmao.

pb&j = Peanut Butter and Jelly

magmoormaster · February 9, 2006, 9:34pm

i figured pb and j was that…
lets get back on topic shall we?

s123i68 · February 10, 2006, 3:14am

Yes. Let’s get back on topic. I’m beginning to think of scenarios of where MC would have a definite chance of winning. I think that in an open field, Samus would win. But if they were in a sheltered place with lots of places to hide and ambush, MC could hide, duck, and swerve around, all the while shooting Samus. Now, if they were in an all out attack, Samus would probably win. How do i know? Energy. In zero mission, Samus has about 25 energy tanks. There is no way MC could take down that much energy.

Dazuro · February 10, 2006, 7:14am

What stops Samus from using that cover too? And thanks to her lockon side-dash, she can get behind it faster than emsee could.

And no, ZM’s ridiculous energy count is irrelevent. We’re using the MP Samus here…

058 · February 10, 2006, 10:05pm

Holy handgrenades. I left the forum for a month, never expected THIS thread to get to fifteen pages!

MetroidSlayer17 · February 11, 2006, 2:24am

While Samus and Chief are both about the same speed, with Chief being… we’ll say 125% as fast as Samus in respective motion directions (a little faster strafing, a little faster forward, a little faster backwards.)

In close ranges Chief could hammer down on Samus with heavy weapons, and, undeniably, she could not get out of the way in time. If she had dashed before the shot was fired at 20 feet, however, she could substantially reduce damage done to her by only absorbing the ‘splash.’ If Chief slipped up though, he would take a LOT of damage up close from Samus’ weaponry (he is too close to dodge it.)

058 · February 11, 2006, 2:13pm

Heck, I’ll get back into the arguement.

Do you realize that a SPARTAN’s reaction time is unchartable? Do you realize that they can, with their fists, dent and puncture battleship armour plating? Do you realize they can run a kilometer in seconds? And this is all un-aided by MJOLNIR, a powerful armour system that boosts their reaction time, movement speed, and strength tenfold. In close combat, a SPARTAN would win because of the incredible advantage of strength and speed.

Weapons-wise, I have to say it would be a close fight. The Covenant plasma rifle is roughly equivalent to the Power Beam, I would say. A SPARTAN can use two of those at once. Or perhaps the Fuel Rod Cannon, equal of the Plasma Beam?

It’d be a darn close fight. So close, in fact, that the only deciding factor would be the opinion of the person writing the fight. I like Samus and Master Chief equal amounts, so I have a draw.

Got_Metroid · February 11, 2006, 3:35pm

You do realize we’re going game-wise here. Chief in Halo isn’t all that fast, Samus is nearly as fast and as Daz stated… side step… Chief wouldn’t know what’s hitting him. I noticed that the boost ball can go faster than a banshee can when boosting. How do I know, I only play Metroid right? No. I do play Halo and I have a respect for it so don’t go off calling me a Metroid fanboy. Also, what makes you think Samus isn’t that strong, she is, very strong even without her suit she can survive Space Pirate cannon blasts which I’m guessing are as strong as a shotgun. So yes, suitless Samus IS strong.

Dazuro · February 11, 2006, 4:08pm

Pirate blasts…shotgun? Sorry, but no. <_< A shotgun would knock the target back a hell of a lot more than that from impact, methinks… besides, pirate cannons are rapid fire. A rapid fire shotgun is …highly unlikely.

Although their turrets would be damn strong.

Got_Metroid · February 11, 2006, 7:49pm

I was talking about Zero Mission, they are not rapid fire in Zero Mission… They shoot around the same speed as a shotgun does.

MetroidSlayer17 · February 11, 2006, 9:15pm

GM-That is a terrible metaphor.

There are many semi-automatic shotguns out there, and each one of them can fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. And, to pump a shotgun’s action, it takes about 2/10 of a second. Not a much larger time gap, like the pirates have.

And yes, I would know. I own a shotgun.

Daz- That would be right. If a projectile can’t fully break armor, it will drive itself as far as it can into it, while pushing the victim backwards.