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Here’s the thing. They’re dueling. MC wouldn’t be ABLE to shoot her from a mile away. They’re having a one on one battle, and Samus is a hell of a lot faster than he is, so he’d never get that kind of distance, especially without any distractions.
Plus Samus can dodge fast-moving shots quite easily with her sidestep, and it’s not like a rocket would OHKO her anyway thanks to her shields being far superior to his.
How is Samus faster than Chief? She takes steps slower and has much shorter legs.
Anyways, in close quarters combat (under 100 feet), Samus large energy reserves would definitely be a huge advantage. But, Chief could also peck away at her with grenades, Battle Rifle, the two Sniper Rifles, whatever. But, she would have a lot of shots at him, too. She would be able to minimalize her weapons’ travel time by launching a lot of fire at him. Through use of cover and stealth, Chief could likely inflict severe wounds upon Samus in CQC, but Samus would likely win.
With that said, in extreme close quarters (under 20 feet) Samus would be easy prey for Rocket launchers, Fuel Rod Cannons, grenades, and brute force. I wouldn’t give her too good of chances there.
In true long range combat (miles away), it is obvious that the fight would be won by Chief. I’ve already explained.
In normal ranges, (up to 250 yards) the characters would seem evenly matched. Chief could use the aforementioned guerrilla tactics, while Samus would likely take similar measures. Samus’ massive health would be offset by her lack of fast-moving projectiles, and Chief’s shields. Chief’s fast moving projectiles would be offset by Samus’ large energy reserves.
Edit: Oooh, two new posts while I was typing up mine 
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Topic conclusion: We cannot determine who would win for four main reasons:
Okay, this topic is getting crazy. I think I’m going to be leaving it now… goes to hide in his MPPA topic
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@MetroidSlayer: WTF. You’re using exact measurements. HOW CAN YOU BE USING EXACT MEASUREMENTS? None of these facts you can find out yourself. Not even the programmers can find how fast things go in the games. Sure, they can give you the units they used, but the units can’t compare to the measurements you’re using.
And you’re also human. You can’t avoid the fact that you’ll be stretching the truth if you make up measurements like that.
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The graphical drawing distance in both games doesn’t even go that far, besides the fact that nobody could aim anywhere within ten feet of the other person at such a distance apart.
-Strafe dash
-Speed booster, if it counts, but even without it…
-Boostball
-…she takes steps a hell of a lot faster…
What if whoever made it didn’t even have an opinion about who’s better.
Hmm…Yes quite. Plausable.
uh…daz? have you read any of the earlier posts? we already talked about those and came to a conclusion(or i did at least): if samus had all her upgrades, of course she would win
Okay, back to page one. We have said that Chief would have 99 energy on Samus’ scale, with 2/5, or about 38 points of those energy being shields. Thus, a Gold Elite, with approximately three times Chief’s health on Normal, has about 299 energy. Therefore, if it takes 16 pistol shots (will soon make sure of that number, but I am fairly sure that that is accurate) to kill it, then each pistol shot (or Battle Rifle burst, they are the same) does about 19 damage, consistant with the 5 shots needed to kill Chief from the pistol doing about 19 damage each too. With that said, Battle Rifle or Pistol fire from medium ranges would do fair damage, while Chief could run from cover to cover, avoiding fire from Samus.
Okay. A Hunter, on the other hand, has about 7 times Chief’s health (again, on Normal.) If it takes 25 Assault Rifle shots to kill Master Chief, then each shot does 4 damage, meaning that 25(bullets to kill Chief) times 7(times stronger than Chief that a Hunter is) equals 175, the amount of AR bullets needed to kill a Hunter. 175 times 4 equals 700 energy for the Hunter. A Rocket Launcher hit will kill a Hunter immediatly, so it does AT LEAST 700 damage.
But, look again. The same Launcher can kill a Wraith Tank in two hits as well. That would place the minimum direct hit damage closer to 1240, seeing as how it takes 20 Plasma Grenades to destroy the thing, and grenades do about 124 (they have a bonus against organic targets) damage each, so that gives the Wraith 2480 energy, more than Samus has.
Yes, developers do know what measurements that they use. They have units, and, saying that a character is five feet tall, it means that X amount of pixels of the character’s height equals one foot inside the game.
And the US Military has .50 Sniper Rifles capable of pinpoint accuracy miles away. I’d hope that in 500 years, Chief would too.
And, as said earlier, the games have to be dumbed down to work. Well, real life has no draw distance.
So, accusing me of making those measurements up is not feasible, unless you’re the type who doesn’t need ground to stand on for your words.
To Daz- I was speaking of Prime 1 Samus, so there wouldn’t be a speed booster, and she would move slower than Chief, except for the ball and the dash (which is a good evasive tactic), but in the ball, she has little way to defend herself.
How the hell could MC dodge Samus’s attacks??? plasma and light are both to fast to dodge. missiles, charged wave, charged light and annihilator all home in. How can anyone ever think Sonic Boom is slow??? it’s faster than the light beam!!!
…I’m a programmer myself. And I never keep track of measurements in feet and inches and that. The Samus in my game is 35 units tall. I can’t convert that to measurements like feet and inches. Even if I do, I would merely be guessing that Samus is x feet y inches.
And 3-D models don’t have pixels…
… But what if Samus had an ultra beam with extremely good accuracy?..
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She doesn’t, and neither does MC. Realistically, they should, but they don’t.
Yeah, okay, but again, the distance apart is too much for accuracy.
…What does-- What? So you’re saying all those measurements are 100% correct and you have every right to be guessing about them? What, did you program Halo and Metroid yourself and keep track of feet and inches for no reason? Don’t claim things you’re unsure of. Especially not like this:
@Coolman: About the Sonic Boom, exactly. As soon as it’s released, it instantly travels into the first object it encounters. I don’t think that’s slow. I don’t see how MetroidSlayer could say that, when for all we know it could travel even faster than all the Halo weapons. We just can’t tell, because they’re are programmed in the games to instantly collide with the first object in the direction. So again, MetroidSlayer, stop making things up.
I could not agree with you more, Coolman. Metroid Slayer, you can not compare nowaday weapons to thier time. Also, if you’re going by Halo 2 Normal mode, then a hunter takes more than one rocket shot. Not only that, a .50 Sniper Rifle may be lethal further than 1500 meters, but Samus could still dodge it. If you miss by a fraction of an inch, it won’t do nearly as much damage. And yes, it is ideal to fire with a .50 Sniper Rifle from 1500 meters or less. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
Just remembered something. What are you guys sayin bout accuracy? Samus can LOCK ON!
I’m talking about MC’s accuracy.
Oh… Now I understand…
Those beams have short ranges.
Troid- Yes, 3D models have pixels. But, they are on a polygonal surface, as the skin. By pixels I meant on a flat horizontal plane. But, I’m not saying that they use that as their primary way to develop (“this model should be 47 feet tall”) but that, using a scale, you could set a value on a flat plane, to use as 2D measurements (like the waypoints in Halo.)
And, some games do use them rather heavily. Ever played Far Cry? That game measures in ‘units,’ (meters, if I remember right), but, what I am saying is that these units could be set to represent a measurement, say, a foot.
Also, way to villainize a fully explained comment.
MC does have the Sniper Rifles, which are almost as accurate as real ones.
I don’t know how to explain this to you. I know Small Arms. I know more about them than you do. To anyone who has seen the variety of projectiles thrown from the variety of devices, from M1 Garands at about 2700 FPS, to 7.62 firearms at 2400 FPS, to .223’s at 3200 FPS, to puny Airsoft guns at 200-300 FPS, from Paintball guns at barely 100 FPS, trying to save gas. I have seen shotguns from 12 gauge to .410. I have seen all manner of handgun- Glock, Sig, PPK, FN, HK, you name it.
I know how fast that damned rocket is moving.
In fact, someone with way too much time on their hands has dissected the Halo 1
damage system, and I have based my reports on that, with Chief having 99 energy, and added in the Halo 2 counterparts, which are more or less copies.
Did you know that a tree is an object? That SB would be colliding with billions of things per second.
Everone Else- And any source you could find on sniper rifles on the internet is likely to be falsified. Coming from someone who is acquainted with Small Arms (no, not me this time), those rifles are at their BEST over a mile away, outside of other small arms fire’s range.
And that 1,550 foot deal was the M-4C’s maximum effective range, or the furthest range that it could inflict injury on an armored opponent consistently (as far as I know.)
You overrate the homing abilities. Sure, they home in, but what is to stop Chief from shooting them out of the air if Samus can? Also, he could walk behind cover and the missile would inneffectually hit the cover.
At 1 mile away, Samus would have one second to move her body two feet to get out of the way, if chief shot at her vitals (middle of the chest, around the sternum.) She would have no indication of the shot (the bullet travels faster than the sound), and she would not be able to dash that fast.
Let’s just put it this way, if MC can’t run faster than the speed of sound, he’s dead. End of story.
Exactly. If he can’t run faster than the sonic boom, he’s doomed to fail. You give him a rocket launcher, Who the hell cares? Samus could blow the cannon off his shoulder. You give him a rod cannon, who the hell cares? Samus could blow that up too. You give him the most powerful weapons from his time, HE IS SCREWED! Samus+Phazon Suit+Phazon Beam=MC is screwed. If you say he can take cover, Phazon will rip through it.
The sniper rifle is not relevant! He will not be ABLE to get that far away, dammit! Even if he WAS faster than Samus, it’s only moderately so, and it would take him quite a while to travel a mile–all the while with Samus blasting away with infinite ammo and attempting to side-dash any time the muzzle flashes. Chief would run slower and more awkwardly if going backwards, but forwards he’d have no way to defend himself. In short, there’s NO WAY he would ever get a mile away.
Not to mention the fact that while Samus is shooting at him she’d also be following him, so he’d gain very little ground.
Also, he can’t shoot missiles out of the air. Samus’s missiles in Prime are pure energy, not solid. YOu can’t shoot energy down.
No, models do not have pixels. You’re talking about the textures 
. But yeah, I understand what you were saying now. Still, it would be guessing, and being just an inch off would make a big difference.
No, I have never played Far Cry. I figured that some games would use them, but I didn’t think Halo did. Does Halo?
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Sorry, I’ve never really played Halo; 
I’ve only seen gameplay footage on TV too many times.
You’re welcome…
Really? … I still don’t think they could be that accurate. Maybe he does have the same weapons we have today, but that doesn’t make them exactly the same. We should be leaving them the way they are in the game. Otherwise… Samus super-flamethrower-of-doom, anyone?
5 + 6. Okay, okay, okay. It’s just the way you were saying that before made it seem like you were just making it all up. Especially with the rocket.
Again, though, we should be leaving them the way they are in the game, instead of changing them into what they are in real life.
Okay. …
Why wouldn’t a tree be an object? … The SB collides with only the first solid object it encounters. …Or rather, the first solid object that’s big enough to cause the whole thing to stop. You know what I meant.
What weapons would MC be using to shoot Samus’s homing weapons down? Tell me. What could stop a wave shot in its path? Or, like Daz said, pure energy? Or what about an annihilator shot? Certainly not normal explosives or little bullets.
You make it sound like Samus would just be standing still, playing GameBoy inside her visor, with nowhere in sight to hide, and MC would be up on a large cliff three miles away with all the time he needs to sit there and aim at her.
@CoolMan: Samus can only target things nearby. It’s definitely too far when MC is miles away.
S- How would Samus have the Phazon beam without a Phazon pool? How would she activate speed booster that quickly? By that logic, (if you can call it that) Chief could strike first with the RL, and knock some of Samus’ weapons off (MP1 intro, anyone?)
Daz- I didn’t know that the missiles were pure energy. The way they explode makes them look like conventional ordinance, at least to me. Still, he could get behind cover.
Troid- Yeah, Halo’s waypoints’ distance away in-game is measured in meters. What I meant with the whole measurements thing was as a tool for calculating the traveling time of weapons in-game, so that I could put it into more vernacular terms.
Yeah, you are right on the models. One screwup or inconsistentsy (sp?) and its out of the window. And, by skin, I meant texture, but you seem to know what I mean.
The thing about the rockets seems kind of weird to me, also. I’ll need to cross-examine them, in a sense, with other weapons and data sources… assuming I can find any.
About the SB, the point I meant to make was that in the combat area I speak of, (a forest, for instance) the surrounding objects would absorb much of its power before it got to Chief.
I said that Samus would likely employ similar tactics as Chief, not practice her pwning skills.