Ok, first of all I won’t take offense to that because I’m above all that. After all, if that was the way I acted I’d be chewed up on this topic, thus never responding.
Alright let’s see. An excuse not to save the environment? Never heard that one before. To my knowledge most Christians are the extremists, like “Stop abortion or we trash your factory!” or something like that. I’m guessing you mean what I like to call “model Christians”. See, here’s my list:
People who live by Faith (My category) - These people lead your average everyday lives using the morals and virtues taught to them through their faith. They can read the bible or go to church.
Blind Faith (Model Christians) - These people believe everything in the bible completely and without argument. Now there are two subcategories here: Stupid and Smart.
Smart ones follow the morals and virtues but they still go by something in the bible word for word.
Stupid ones are the kinds (like you said) who beleive that “God will save us no matter what” and do all kinds of bullshit to themselves and others as well as the environment. Both have a twisted view of their religion and are too blind to see past it.
Faith without virtue - Exactly what the name means, these people say they’re Christians but sure as hell don’t act like them. They probably don’t go to church or read the bible for that matter. Still, they have a twisted view on faith and have the same “God will save us no matter what” mentality.
Change the name to “is God real” because most historians (Christian or not) consider Jesus as once a living person. And, yes, I do believe God is real, and Jesus.
I can’t stand fu*king vegetarians. Have you ever seen a healthy-looking vegetarian, huh? No. You probably haven’t. The main factor leading to the boom in vegetarians is the Disnification of animals.
Disnification of animals means that movies like Bambi(coughburninhellcough) actually get the population to believe that animals can think for themselves and have some form of human-type “soul” if you will.
DEER ARE NOT LIKE BAMBI! SHOOT ON SIGHT! THEY’RE TASTY!
“If God didn’t want us to eat animals, he wouldn’t have made them so darn tasty”
seriously…alot of people…like you… aren’t very open minded…and you said “jesus was a man”…no…jesus was a man who didn’t care about annoying details like that
Wow, for someone relatively on my side, you pissed me off.
For your fucking information, most people are vegetarians because of their religion, not because they’re tree huggers. I can respect that, because at least they’re treating an animal with respect, even though i wouldnt mind if they didnt. And you can be healthy being a vegetarian, just not as healthy as an omnivore. My best friend since 1st grade was a vegetarian(also swahili), so watch who you might offend my friend.
This makes me want to slap you so hard the ignorance would fall out of your brain. Animals can think for themselves, they just arent sentient. They’re capable of logic, and limited in depth anaylisis (many advanced mammals). And because Animals are tasty??? Do you really think that god made animals tasty??? No. Learning to eat something is an aquired taste, and was neccessary (in evolution) to eat creatures, when the foods lower on the food chain (plants etc…) wouldnt provide enough energy/nutrients, to support the larger creatures. That’s why they’re tasty, because they’ve been being eaten for so long. Most animals dont give a fuck what the food tastes like, they eat it because they have to to survive. People on the other hand (referring to peoples lack of common sense) dont eat veggies when they’re young, just because they theink they’re gross. So no, while i beleive in eating animals, the actual reason we do it isnt “because they’re tasty”.
Please, re-read your material before you post. You seemed to have no regard for the possibility of pissing people*REDHALBERD off. I know, i’ve had that problem as well throught this thread, but im no blattanly screaming at people, and say (cough…burninhell…cough).
Red is right. I really can’t say anymore because he just summed up what my response would be… (Save for the burnin’ in hell, that just isn’t my style, lol)
You respect others, you respect nature, you respect religions. You may not like them, but when you show blatant ignorance or hatred of them then you’re bound to make enemies. Why? Because others are trying to stop people like you from thinking in that manner. No, they don’t force you, they try to make you see more clearly. It’s still your decision, but if you just go “You suck and that’s that then” then you’re pretty much a barrier to human development.
I know that sounded quite harsh, but I’d rather spell out the cold, damn truth than sugar coat it so that “everybody will like me”.
I’m vegetarian because I don’t like the idea of stealing something’s life (unless it’s something like a plant, or something that posses a serious threat). Does that mean I think other animals have a soul? Of course not. But I do believe some animals are quite intellegent, not on the level humans are, ofcourse. But I still think it’s necassary to treat all living beings with respect even if it’s a plant. I still respect meat eaters and I believe Jesus ate meat but he still respected animals and plants (as said in the Bible).
Ok, before I address that quote, I’ll just say that, yes, the whole idea is to respect other’s opinions and ideals instead of just bludgeoning through them saying, “You’re right and I’m wrong.”
Ok, now for the quote.
I don’t mind vegetarians, but it’s just that I don’t understand them, or at least that statement which you just said. Stealing life? Life is meant to end anyway, and it will so there’s nothing you can do about it. Sure, I don’t like stealing life either, but if you eat the animals and not just simply kill them, then they’d still be recycled and start the proess over again. That’s what preditors would do to us, too. Why? Because it’s a natural occurance.
Sometimes, though, people are only vegetarians because meat just doesn’t go through their systems very well. There’s no reason to hate people who don’t eat meat so much… If you’re going to hate those who don’t eat meat, you’ll have to hate those who don’t eat all of the same kinds of food you eat. What if there’s someone who doesn’t eat fruit? Are they a complete moron, too? What makes meat so special?
Just for your information, you can get plenty of protein without eating meat. It’s all about the variety and getting the right combinations, which I’m sure most people wouldn’t be getting if they cut meat from their diet because of how ridiculously unhealthy their diets are anyway.
Oh, and yes, I have seen plenty of healthy vegetarians. >_>
I think it’s alright to eat an animal to survive, but to hunt for sport is just ridiculous. I can very well respect Inuit people who ate nothing but meat a few hundred years ago, because that’s all they could eat to survive. What I am trying to say is that if it is not completely necassary to kill and eat animal, than why do it? People in Africa eat meat because meat is all they CAN eat because nothing really grows there. But for people in rich contries such as U.S.A there is no reason to eat meat because they can very well survive without it. But it is still a good idea to eat meat to control the animal population. What I fear is that we may control the population a little too well and next thing we know, the species is extinct.
Back to the subject of God; for those who say “If God created everything, what created God?” That really doesn’t make sense. How can something creat something if time does not exsist yet? God created time. So God did not wait a moment to create the universe, because to wait there would need to be time.
I honestly haven’t seen a vegetarian who didn’t look healthy. But 058 has less endurance and speed than I do even though I sit around all day and get next to no exercise–yay peanut butter.
My cat ran into a window the other day.
Mmm, peanut butter…
That’s already happened a few times and has nearly happened a few other times.
Follow by sporting rules, and any half-witted animal will have enough of an advantage to not be wiped out by hunters. If the dodo bird had a season, bag limit, and was shotgun only game (assuming that it had a shred of intelligence) than it would have survived.
When hunting is done correclty, the animal population isn’t driven into extinction. You simply can’t eradicate a turkey population with just a birdshot-throwing shotgun.
Use rifles (other than BB guns and .22s), and you can, but that makes you a law breaker and what equates to a cheater in hunting.
And Red, if you are for abortion (AKA an accomplice in murder) than I am all for playing Russian Roulette with you and you catching the loaded cylinder. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, not a punch for a nuke. Killing a baby for being alive makes as much sense as Hitler blaming “untermicht” for his syphilis.
If abortion is so great, how about my M1 Garand and I do a super late-term abortion on you?
Sorry, I didn’t catch that. Thus, I scratch agreeing with Red whole-heartedly. I’m against abortion, but pro control. (If we control our births then people a: wouldn’t have need for abortion in the sense that they can’t support it and b: would no longer have crazy sex because if they have a baby with someone, even by accident, then they’re stuck with them. No get out of jail free cards here.)
Its on the previous page. I haven’t replied for a bit, as we were in Mississippi for the holiday.
And yes, I have use of a Garand. And awesome it is
To clarify, my dad owns one, but we both use each other’s firearms. If it is needed, it is used. They are treated as one another’s property.
They are available from the DCM (Director of Civilian Marksmanship) for a steal. Also, they supply other old US military rifles, such as the 1903 Springfield and parts of the 1917 Enfield.
On a side note, we got a “Treeing Mountain Cur” (breed of dog, not a mongrel) from our grandfather. Great day, to say the least.
I don’t see why you would need the kind of power of a Garand in hunting, let alone self defense. I mean, seriously, limbs pop off when… err… nevermind
Yeah, if I had the ability to get a license for that then I would, but not only can I not but I don’t have the kind of money to buy a freaking Garand, lol. But if I did, that’s the first gun I would get.
Ok, back on topic. Yeah, I missed that little statement, so I’m not a cold hearted bastard like you might have thought.
Eh, the Garand uses the 30-06, which would make it a good short-range deer rifle (or long range, with an optical sight). The auto-loading capability is a sacrifice of accuracy for rate of fire, which I don’t like. For deer, it would be an appropriate hunting rifle. For anything smaller, consult the raccoon that I shot with a .243 (a weaker cartridge than the 30-06). Hard to talk when your entire left side is an exit wound (and that is no exaggeration).
For “two legged game” the Garand is definitely overkill. It produces about 2,700-3,000 ft. lbs. of energy, with only 600 or so needed to effectively kill a person in one chest shot.
But, as soon as Big Brother tries to knock down our doors and steal our firearms, they will be surprised to learn that their SAPI plates don’t do jack when a 30-06 is headed into them.
By the way, where do you live to need a license to own a Garand? Over here in Canaan Land (USA) you only need a license to own fully-auto or suppressed firearms (which is ridiculous too, given that only one shot does all the killing).
Im not pro abortion, but i think humans are just to dense for any other option. Abortion is murder, but you have to choose what’s best for the human race over what’s best fort that poor individual.
As far as hunting goes, it’s definetly not population control. Like i said earlier, we wouldnt need to control any animals populations if we hadnt killed their natural predators in the first place.
People kill wolves to keep their children safe. Wolves kill deer. Deer can florish, because we kill their predators. So we justify hunting by killing deer. But it’s still not balance, because there are many other variables in the equation that we dont consider.
That’s a basic example of why i hate hunting for sport. Humans these days just dont know how to create balance.
But Red, you’re missing the point. We’ve already messed up the natural cycle and right now there’s nothing you can do about it. Hunting may not do nature’s job as eficiently and effectively, but it’s better than letting those game animals explode in huge numbers and then probably die out, causing a massive gap in the food chian.
