of course that cant be done, but im saying, after all, they are an alien race in the far…far…far future, of course i dont mean actually carrying a swimming pool around you, lol…geeze, thinking about stuff that hasn’t happened is hard…lol, 
Um… water isn’t as good at stopping bullets as anything else. Yes, a few feet of water are good, but one inch of metal > one inch of water. One inch of anything that’s harder than water > water. The only exception might be pressurized things.
The S&W .500 will (barely) kill elephants, but it is a fool that tries to do so. Heck, no matter what rifle you shoot an elephant with, it will always have a chance to do you in too, excluding spine shots, or shots to the brain (where you should shoot an elephant.) Rib shots will work, but dont kill as fast. With something as massively strong as an elephant, it needs to die as fast as possible if you are hunting it. Rib shots do not provide this attribute.
Just an elephant’s trunk probably has as much strength as an anaconda’s body :O_O:
For instance, any competent elephant hunter would use at least a .416 Rigby level rifle cartridge, if not an even more powerful round. Those things are ridiculously tough.
I dunno why, but that phrase REALLY bugs me. Criminals don’t qualify for “competent hunters” for me. Not your fault, but I’d prefer the phrase “skilled elephant poachers”
lmao, i know you guys were totally serious for the past two or three posts…but…that was the funiest thing i have read today! 
and metroid slayer, you are very knowledgable, and i am talking only of a simple firearm that is in a compact format, unlike a rifle, which you are absolutely right, would be best, yeah, i really dont see why we would bother with guns in the future, so now i will try and stay out of it with the simple phrase “if it glares at you, nuke it!” (available for sig for only $9.95)
also, timaster, you are right as well, and yes, i meant pressurized, i am assuming that they are way more futuristic than us, and i am sorry for bringing the water thing up, it just seemed like a different approach, and i got interested, thats all
wow, you guys have done a little research, you are each awarded one brownie point(s)
also, i think instead of sheegoth, when i get to the next rank, i would like to be known as “the competent elephant hunter”!
If I shoot someone with a .357 Magnum at a meter’s distance, and shoot someone else with an assault rifle–one shot from each, mind–the guy hit by the Magnum is going to feel it just a little bit more.
There’s nothing special about a Magnum bullet…oh, right, except for what gives it its freaking name. The Magnum was designed because bigger handguns were needed–it literally means “big”. Magnum handguns shoot a LOT larger projectiles than most handguns, which by the nature of acceleration, inertia, and velocity deal out a greater kinetic force, resulting in a greater amount of damage.
The Royal Marines are one of many Human fighting forces, all of them equiped with equally advanced technology, if in different areas. Don’t argue with me about my own universe because you cannot win. I can see where this confusion arises from, and I apologize for the lack of clarity.
I don’t need a lecture on the mechanics of firearms; I know how they work. A sidearm is issued to riflemen because it’s more effective in close-combat situations such as room-clearing. It doesn’t matter what you say because that’s a fact and facts aren’t discounted by opinions. I am well aware that a pistol is less accurate than a rifle; that is why they aren’t used in long-ranged combat.
A metal plate is actually NOT the most effective ballistic protection, even when compared with water. A metal plate still conveys the kinetic force, which is what does the damage, not just the penetration. It’s also a lot easier to blast a hole in a metal plate than a malleable material–it’s no myth that bendy objects can withstand more than rigid ones; that’s why spiderweb is stronger than steel, that’s why titanium is stronger than most metals, that’s why buildings in earthquake areas are built to wiggle and twist instead of stand firm. The reason water does such a good job of stopping bullets is that usually, there’s a rather large amount of water for the kinetic force to be conveyed through and fast, which severely decreases the bullet’s velocity.
…lord almighty that was a lot of reading…
9mm=.357 caliber, genius.
Heck, names mean nothing. The .380 ACP is measured .357, not .380. IT IS JUST A NAME. The 1903 Springfield was chambered for a cartridge that was invented in 1906. Catch my drift?
And more handguns have been made in 9mm in the 20th century than any other caliber. So, the .357 Magnum isn’t all that special, and really isn’t all that powerful.
So no, you don’t have a clue about firearms, really.
Never have US soldiers had a sidearm and shoulder arm issued to them at the same time, for good reason.
HANDGUNS ARE GOOD FOR NOTHING!
The only exception is vehicle crews, who are armed with M9s and Grease Guns. Guess which gun they use to clear buildings? THE GREASE GUN!
Handguns are a symbol of authority, not a truly viable combat firearm, no exceptions.
Yeah, close up, a .357 Magnum is more powerful on DEER than a .223. NOT SO FOR PEOPLE!
A person doesn’t have thick skin, muscle, and bone to penetrate like a deer does. Hence, the .223 is better on people, plus it is more accurate, easier to aim, facilitates easier follow-up shots and is COMPLETELY BETTER.
Do you have any idea what a Desert Eagle is? It’s one of the most powerful handguns in the world, and the reason is that it fires a freaking Magnum cartridge.
This is not the US military. This is not any modern military. This is my military.
There is a reason that handguns are designed and built: They have a use. A sidearm is light and agile, it is easily reloaded, and it can generally loose bullets as quickly as the trigger can be tapped. Sidearms aren’t built to be primary weapons; a backup is required, for ammunition shortages or for maneuverability in a situation where a rifle isn’t practical. In the role of a secondary weapon, sidearms are perfect.
Oh, and up close with a .223 is the WORST possible range. .223 munitions are much less effective at ranges below thirty meters because the bullet is still superheated and more prone to fracture or simply disolve, especially against targets with ballistic protection.
alright, i think this might settle things…
this is HIS game, and if he wants it to be, who says it is that wrong?
his game is not super-realistic, but then again, what is any game?
hollywood does it, and they get praise far more than criticism!
now i state this: if he wants it to be this way, let it be that way, is there really anything wrong with it?, i really dont care what model the gun is, as long as the game feels like a good game (however, a handgun firing missiles is a little over the top), people, it doesn’t really matter, rather than make him and yourself spend time arguing, lets all just focus on the main issues that are immediately present!
i dont care what handgun it is anymore, as long as it seems to fit gameplay, its cool!
Hehe…there actually WAS an experimental pistol that fired self-propelled rockets(in real life, not my universe)…didn’t go over too well.
Ok, wasn’t here yesterday, so I have alot to answer to.
-58-: The first part of your response was harsh, but the rest made it make sense. I thought that the “Royal Marines” were an elite bunch (since monikers like Royal and Spec. Forces tend to point to non-average millitary. Sorry for any demeaning/harsh comments back there, as it is your story). Heh, pistol rockets? They’d have to be pretty compact to actually do anything…
SM: I thought it was just a book, not a game. Am I missing something here?
MS17: All the way back there about the SC rounds? There never was an exact size given, just the 8mm description. Size wise, the rounds are probably like Mausers (the clip holds 51 rounds deployed by 3-shot bursts). How fast? Well, it uses magnetic acceleration to launch these things at hypersonic speeds. There’s no specified speed, but it must be at least twice as fast as anything we have right now. The suits they use are mobile powerplants with super-compact armor and hydraulic aid, so I believe that maximum penetration is required.
SD is right, let’s not escalate this to a flame war…
sweet! thats like the first time i have ever been right! i finally have the confidence to start a couple goals!
step 1- capture france
step 2- control the world!
step 3- eat a cookie
Sorry for being pissy when replying to you, Gold Leader–wasn’t having the best of days, and the temperature of my computer room doesn’t tend to help my mood, so I often reply in ways I don’t mean to on forums.
Aye, right now, it’s just a book, but if future plans hold tight, a game will be produced, though likely not for…I’d guess ten years; by then, I’ll have graduated or be on my way to graduating college and ‘on the market’ for hire. My versatility with conceptual art, writing ability, and 3D modeling should make me desirable, especially since during the next three years of High School, I’ll be able to hone my skills in each of those areas, and in college, as my primary classes will be focused on writing and graphical arts, I’ll be able to get even better.
Well, I been busy early this morning(around two o’clock), and here’s the result:
Wesley No?l and Kara Redrumen, both Royal Marines. I think Red’s the only one you’ve seen before, and that was in armour, so, for those of you who wanted to see her less ‘obstructed’, voila:
Yes, I know what a Desert Eagle is. One version of it fires the .50 Action Express, which is almost as powerful as the old .45-70 cartridge.
Also, the thing weighs about 70 ounces, that’s four pounds and four ounces. Which is equal to about THREE Glock 17s. Heck, and M-4 Carbine weighs 5.56 pounds unloaded, and that is a shoulder arm.
Recoil from a handgun producing that kind of power is ridiculous, also. A .45 ACP with a +P load is bad enough.
Your point about the Desert Eagle has no real point, actually. The only viable use of a Desert Eagle is for hunting, where accuracy can only be achieved by taking rested shots.
Also, it doesn’t matter how fast a handgun shoots if you can’t hit with it. My father won 3 Pistol competitions in the Army, and even he can only take an accurate shot with a 9mm every three seconds or so. Watching a movie of a 9mm firing doesn’t give you a real understanding… only firing one does.
About reloading… A shoulder arm has more capacity, less felt recoil, and actually IS easier to reload.
About .223s. Have you ever heard of the Geneva Conventions? Well, were held a long time ago, before WWI (can’t remember exactly), and they outlawed the use of expanding bullets in War. What an expanding bullet does is really deform and create a larger hole in the target, and that is what a hot bullet can do under the right circumstances. You don’t seem to understand that expansion, shattering, deforming, whatever you call it- it increases the potency of a round massively. At close ranges, a .223 will easily penetrate most body armor. It is a rule that the closer the target is to the gun’s muzzle, then the more energy is transferred to the target.
Yeah, the gyrojet was an… interesting handgun.
Bloody hell, drop the fucking argument.
I’d love to.
PM being sent…
Edit- Sent.