Yeah, I’m sure God and Jesus would prefer to have their creatures argue while being ON TOPIC instead. >_>
We have an old guns topic, so any replies to MS’s or Red’s recent posts should appear there, not here. This is a topic about religion, not guns or survival or hunting. Go ahead and bump it, it’ll be fine as long as it’s not a stupid or short or spammy post.
A new topic would be fine, too, since it’s more about survival and stuff, guns included. Just as long as it’s not in a religion topic.
Sorry troid, but im not letting this go just yet.
Your obviously thinking very small if you think a garand is even worthy of being called a weapon. Nature’s weapons are millions of times more powerful.
A tsunami
A stampeding herd of elephants
A tornado
The fucking heat from the sun
A swarm of bees
Lets see your little weapon stop those. But since your on such a pathetic human scale of power, i’d like to see how the whole human race could counter things like Gamma ray bursts, black holes, and supernovas. We’re not even a significant part of our galaxy, much less the universe.
Also, nuclear radiation doesn’t do jack to a rifle, either??
Please shutup about your gun, im comparing these things to humans, not guns. Guns are nothing without humans. And without our little weapons, this planet would swallow us whole. I’ll accept the fact that your gun can protect you against 5% of the threats on this planet.
I dont give a fuck about firearms, i know what they’re capable of. But they’re useless against anything but humans and animals.
I understand nature better than you understand your life.
Hunters do more for the enviornment??? scrolls through everyting you’ve written looking for proof
You havent said anything about that, and anything you might have said is either so innacurate or vague that i didnt bother with it. Hunters dont hurt the enviornment as much as cigar companies, or factories, but they definetly dont do shit for it.
You let animals suffer to death?? Animals die how they were ment to die. However, your killing animals, not putting them out of their misery. You find a deer an kill it. If i found a dying deer in the woods, i would let it die, because that’s how it was ment to die. If you wished to die in your sleep, and someone shot you, would that be mercy??? I dont think so. Mabye you do. I can at least agree, that we have different percetions of suffering.
Calling an animal better than a human is terrorism?? Dude, that’s actually pretty funny. You know why??
Animals dont have problems like we do.
They dont kill each other over dumb grudges.
They dont try to control each other.
They dont hate, fear, lust, and sin.
They dont enjoy to kill.
That’s why i like animals more than humans. They dont have the flaws that make us human. I dont think humans should be killed off, I KNOW they will be killed off, whether it be from epidemic (which you cant deny), global warming (which you cant deny), asteroid, gamma ray burst, or any other unstoppable force.
I’ve come to the conclusion that we have a very different perception of beautiful. I think nature is beautiful because it amazes me. It has created things humans havent even dreamed of, and never will. Nature is the most powerful force on this planet, and tampering with it will backfire.
I dont see humans as inferior to animals, but I see animals in a far better light than humans.
Terrorist?? Terrorists cause fear. Im not causing fear. Your attempting to intimidate me by threatening to shoof me (which is very amusing seeing as how we’re on an internet forum). I am merely stating my opinion (however drastic it may appear to you).
Go into the wild?? I should have addressed this earlier, but i know that nature can be dangerous, and frightening. I know not all of nature is beautiful, but compared to humans, it all is. So much of history is based on hate, grudges, egos, murder, lust, and pain. But nature always heals itself. The soot from a volcano fertilizes a new generation of plants. The silt left from flooding rivers is also great for plants. Nature is in balance, but we are not.
Like i said earlier, i think nature’s beautiful because it’s amazing. You think your garand is beautiful because you can kill deer with it. Good for you. I that’s what you love, then i cant argue about that.
But the one point i wont let you get away with is saying that hunters do more for the enviornment then Conservationists. You obviously dont know shit about conservation. Try googling it sometime. With this, we can end you little rant about your little WW2 weapon, and we can get back to Evolution vs. Creationism.
Troid edit: Fixed annoying quote glitch.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this:
…is just a lucky guess as to what I was going to say eventually, because you were typing your post while I posted mine and it misses the point of my post.
Just another reminder that you should bring this to a different topic or PMs.
Edit: Nevermind, nevermind, saw your post in the guns topic now. >_>
Uh… right.
They kill each other all the time, sometimes not even for food. Often it’s over simple territorial disputes–grudges over who gets to live where.
Control, perhaps.
Animals do indeed hate certain things. Cats tend to hate water. Dogs tend to hate mailmen and some kinds of insects. etc.
Many animals fear.
Animals are extremely promiscuous, and some kinds do indeed do it for reasons beyond reproduction (dolphins and some apes). Not to mention, since animals can’t actually fall in love and get married and such, any of that COULD be considered lust by mere technicality, although let’s just ignore that. >_>
Sin is subjective.
Cats have a high tendency to play with their prey before killing and eating it. They’re sadistic in their killing methods.
In conclusion, you seem to be yet another nature-minded lunatic who loves to criticize humanity and claim animals to be perfect despite them performing the very same acts as we do.
…alright…ill say my opinion about a bit…
we can fucking kill animals…guns kill shit…
…we have basically no limits, we follow an exponential pattern for lives, so until we fuck things up really bad, we own the earth…
…if humans die out…wer are surely taken everything else on earth with us…
…i would like to see a stingray kill me on a boat…or a snake kill me in the middle of a large city…its not happening…and to those who say “if you were in the wilderness” i am not…that is like saying “if cats had heat vision they could kill us”…
…heh…heat vision…
anyways, we own the earth…and if we die…there is a large ass chance we can point the finger back at us…
…
we pretty much own most of the planet…if something is in our way, and wants to fight back…fuck, shoot it…
…anyways…
also, animals are basically humans in my opinion, just not as advanced…
cept cats, cats really own us…yeah…making me scoop thier shit…we only think they aren’t smart…but really, they know everythings place…
…cats are awesome…
Hmm…Daz. You never fail to stump me, and i’ll have to take off my hat to that. I guess your right, and you brought up points i’ve never considered.
Metroid slayer, you got lucky witht that argument, but theirs one point i wont drop.
I can accept some of your opinions, no matter how arrogant i think they are, but what you said earlier is just complete bullshit.
@smartdude-If humans die, we probably wont take every animal with us, just alot of them. Seeing as how insects make up 99% of all animal life on earth, we’ll probably only kill off about 90% of the earths animal population. The remaining being aquatic life, and small creatures.
However, this argument is far from over.
Don’t take this harshly because it’s not an insult, it’s hard fact. Red, you were obviously scared of Daz’s response. How do I know?
A. Daz is the “pwnage mod” on this forum. It’s common for people to fear the powers he has at his disposal.
B. You turned back on almost everything you were arguing about.
If Daz was just another member I have no doubt that you would fight back and continue the arguments.
(And for some strange reason, which I don’t know why, is that you, Daz, have the hammer around here. No matter what you say or what your opinion is, people fear you and thus follow in step as to not “anger the almighty Daz.” I’ve done that a few times myself, but I just don’t know why that’s continuing. I mean, if you have that kind of power, you can forcibly settle disputes or debates just by posting. That seriously upsets the balance of the debate, essentially rendering it pointless. Oh yeah, if I was smart dude, this would go under my illogical thoughts.)
Anyway, I’m jumping to the guns topic.
You said it all for me.
Daz presented similar points to mine, which you cursed at, and you accepted it from him.
And by the way, shooting you would be doing people a favor. Murderers, nor lunatics, aren’t supposed to be on the loose, after all.
Okay, If you are so great of an environmentalist, then when is the last time you gave a dollar to conservation?
Well, my extended family has given thousands of dollars to conservation. And we have contributed invaluably by performing our natural roles- being the alpha predators of Earth.
EDIT- If this must continue, I am moving to the guns board.
I’d rather spare the guns board so that I could talk about various weapons and their history, but if you must, then go ahead. I’ll be on the sidelines for those who don’t care for the argument, lol.
Okay, lets please get this fucking straight.
Murderer??? Terrorist?? You’ve called me both of those things, yet i’ve never killed an animal bigger than a Rat, nor have i had intentions of killing any animals bigger than that. I’ve hated humans, but the farthest i’ve gone is challenged them to an organized fight to settle our differences. Which is much more civilized then you threatening to shoot me.
Hell, mabye your family has done some shit for the enviornment. Good for them. But hunting in general doesnt do shit for the enviornment. We are the alpha predators, i dont deny it. But we dont follow the natural balance that nature has set. The native americans, however primitive you might think they are, respected the enviornment, and did everything in their power to keep the balance. I fucking respect that, and if humans now days could use our super advanced technowledgy, to consciencly watch over the enviornment, then we wouldnt be worry about the world ending this century (an major scientists all over the world are speculating this as i type).
Im not the major conservationist in the family. My brother intends to be a proffesor of herpetology, and do a similar role to the deceased Stever Irwin. I however, support his approach, and do my best to eductate people. If i was rich, i’d give half my fortune to promoting clean fuels like solar power, and Mickey D’s fry oil. But no, im not, so all i can do now, is what i have the power to do. Talk. Like im doing right now on this forum. But i sence this argument coming to an end. So i have a question for you MS.
Why do you enjoy killing animals??? Killing for sport has nothing to do with keeping the balance. We kill enough for food, and when we destroy habitats. Why more?? Why not just fucking leave them alone, and let our inconsiderate habitat destruction wipe them out???
@Goldleader/Daz: Yes, your right, I am afraid of Daz. I’ve never met anyone like that. Someone that can argue so precisely, intellectually, and correctly that i always must submit to their opinion.
That’s another reason that i absolutely respect you.
There’s a phobia for it. A fear of arguing with someone more intelligent than you are (can remeber what it’s called).
BTw MS. Not that im any closer to a murderer or lunatic then you are (since you wont hesitate to take life), doesnt having murderers and lunatics on the loose keep the balance??
No, it would not be a blessing if you did that. Humans are alot more good than evil. Hamsters, cats, dogs, chicken and bovine are doing very well now that we keep them as pets and livestock. If those animals were out in the wild there would only be about 50 000 of them each. Now there are as many hamsters, dogs and chicken as there are humans on the planet. Our race is not evil. If wolves were top prdator of this planet and were as numerous as us you can bet your ass there would be alot more endangerd species.
I still stand that hunting for sport is sadistic. But I still love humans and find them to be the gratest ANIMAL on the planet.
You support abortion, and what are you? A MURDERER.
I enjoy killing animals because I know that I am feeding my family. Me going out and shooting a deer is no different than you buying bacon at the supermarket. Something had to die. The animal that I killed lived a good life, and I brought it to an end quickly with a bullet. The animal that you eat was killed after living, at best, a crappy life, and in a way that couldn’t be much faster than a bullet. And yes, killing for “sport” (which I don’t do, by the way, as I use every game animal that I kill) does keep the balance. Killing animals is killing animals, no matter whether you just want to kill them (which I don’t advocate, by the way) or if you are going to eat them.
To set things straight, I never threatened to shoot you. The two things I said were about Russian Roulette, and the jungle. Both of which are impossible circumstances, and were meant to convey my real point: if you die, it would be just fine with and for me. The roulette comment meant what I’d like to see happen to you, the jungle one was to counteract you saying that I wouldn’t survive a week in the jungle.
And I never said ANYTHING about Native Americans. Heck, I respect them too. But, for your information, I love and respect wildlife just as much as any of them ever did.
And if you are truly afraid of people more intelligent than you, you’d be terrified of nearly everyone on this forum. It is plain what you are really afraid of.
About murderers- Yes, they do, but, the way I see it, only God has the choice to take human life. If some genius tries to break into my house, He has already given me permission to take care of them.
Goddamn, MS, that was harsh…
And Red, don’t try to play it safe behind Daz’s iron curtain of doom. He basically restated everything that was already said in this forum. What’s the best part? The best part was that his “super intellectual” statements were one liners. Don’t lie, Daz just decided his side, and you fear his retribution.
you know i don’t mean to go off topic or be offencive or anything but ur constantly saying stuff like “daz doesnt like this” or “lets let daz take a stroll through here and see how he likes it” its really annoying
Harsh? Yes.
But, Red is easily one of the least civil people I have ever dealt with. Drastic actions require drastic counteractions.
I’m Better- It doesn’t seem like Gold Leader was saying anything like that, to my understanding. The way I see it, he was basically saying what I implied.
EDIT: And, by the way, its not like Daz is going to cut your head off for disagreeing with him. Maybe if you threw in some of the expletives you used for me, but not for a civil argument.
At least, I don’t think he would…
Heh, it’s a good thing I caught this before I signed off.
im_better, whenever I said that it was because of how stupid or uneccisary the post or topic was. Plus, to my knowledge, I only did that two or three times. And though I’m not going to take it harshly, under any normal circumstances that’s a direct rebutttal to me, not the topic or my response. But whatever, I’m tired.
Support abortion??
I already explained this. People like having sex. There is absolutely no way to stop people from continually reproducing (accidentally, or unwillingly). Now isnt that time, but there will come a time when abortion is the only way to stop overpopulation. China has a limit on the number of children per family. GO CHINA!!! If the rest of us (not all of us, just some countrys, im not sure where your from) would take a similar approach, there would be no need for such a cruel thing. And what about rape?? Lets say a female you know gets raped and becomes pregnant. The course of action is clearly to preference. Some people say adoption is the answer. Some say abortion. Some say raising the child is the answer.
Personally, i think all of them are unfair to the child, since it’s life will be drastically different, and wont be able to lead a normal life (not that there is such a thing). But it’s not your right to decided what someone else should choose. That’s why i say abortion should be an option. Because some people think it’s cruel for a child to have to grow up that way. More cruel than death.
I rest my case.
Everything you just said is opinion. I’ll accept that your stuck in your way and move on.
Actually, you did threaten to shoot me, twice. Russian roulette?? I ignored that because i didnt even see your point. Im glad you’d like to see me dead, but that’s alot more likely to happen to you. When i said you wouldnt survive a week in the jungle, that was to counteract your gun making you invincible. It doesnt matter that it can kill tigers/bears/moose because barely any people get killed by them anyway. Instead of using your gun as a defense, you should try strenghthening your immune system from real threats.
I doubt that. YOu say how deer are stupid and how roaches are meaningless. So no, that’s bullshit.
Lol. I dont take that to offense, because if you had half my IQ, you wouldnt participate in barbaric activities like hunting anyway. Daz intimidates me because of his knowledge. Having a thorough understanding of the subject of every argument is what makes him intimidating.
I dont beleive in god, so that’s meaningless to me. You’ve threatened to kill me. I havent threatened to kill you. I’d avoid killing unless there was absolutely no other option, or if i wasnt thinking straight, and seeing as how i almost never kill intentionally, im usually thinking straight.
Daz is the whole reason im even still on this forum…or any forum. Daz is the reason im not bored out of my mind in my spare time. So mabye i just cant disagree with him, because i feel he’s always right.
Least civil?? You enjoy killing, yet you call me a murderer for taking abortion as an option. Your christian, im not. I dont beleive that somene should control others lives. I think if some gay bastard wants to get married to another gay bastard, then he can do so, as long as it doesnt interfere with the lives of others. Stem cell research is the only way to save cancer patients. Cloning may be the only way to save the human race.
You think it’s immoral because your christian. I think it’s a good idea, because it’s fair to everyone.
Arguing with you is eccedingly annoying, because you pretend your way is right, and refuse to see the ways of others. I can understand some of your arguements, however barbaric i see them. But things like abortion are a reality of life, murder or not, and while i would never abort a child, accept the damn fact that other people might have to.
Stem cell research is fair to everyone? What about the human life that the cells came from?
Damn, you deserve to be shot if you have that little respect for human life.
How do you know what the child born from rape wants? Are you omniscient? Let them live their own lives. You have no business deciding whether they live or not.
You ignored Roulette. Okay, I’ve presented my case for the jungle, and about your (well-deserved) super late-term abortion- I was only asking you if you’d like one too, F?hrer.
And, for your information, my immune system is quite strong. It’s been three years since I have been sick.
When did I say deer are stupid? When did I say roaches are meaningless? Deer are one of my favorite animals, and, while roaches aren’t exactly that, they do have their niche in nature.
Daz intimidates you with his knowledge? I’m fairly certain that I have a greater knowledge of wildlife than him. Seriously, you’re just digging a hole that I’m using to bury you and your stupidity with. It is extremely obvious why you flip-flopped (again).
Arguing with you is exceedingly annoying, too. Its annoying to have you, who is too spineless to even find proof of his claims out in the wild, telling me, someone who has spents weeks out there, what I know about it.
If hunting is barbaric for me, than every predator on this Earth would answer to “man of steel.” Not that you even understand who that was.
Guys, come on and cut it out. As much as I would love to read your comebacks at each other, this is getting dangerously close to a flame war and is completely off topic. If you must, please take it to PM so you can spare the rest of us of your arguments…
Of course that means you’re going outside of the topic and making it personal… Goddamnit…
Indeed. Statements like this:
…and this:
…are going too far. Take it to PMs or elsewhere, because we honestly don’t want to see it here if you’ll be flaming each other this much.