Religion, Science... Beliefs ok?!

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That’s, of course, granted that you are following a book rather than a voice in the back of your head that knows things you don’t. And assuming you follow blindly, which is clearly not the case if you can rationalize it. :stuck_out_tongue:

Edit: Oh, and I’m not saying I follow a voice in the back of my head. It’s more like I’m following a very trustworthy and extremely intelligent individual, as well as tons of things I would say are miracles. Like a guy missing an arm being pronounced dead by paramedics, then waking up a few hours later singing hymns with someone who randomly showed up and said God told him to pray for him; people giving others simple things like a razor because God told them to and it turns out that the other person had just lost their last one; people having just begun the process of something you were about to request that you had never requested in your life and wasn’t very relevant to the moment (that’s a personal one)… I’ve been told quite a few miraculous stories by another very trustworthy individual, involving his dad (who is a minister) performing miracles like causing some woman’s cancer to simply fall off her body, and so forth.

Some stories may be passed on from person to person and exaggerated or screwed up or whatever, but most of these came to me directly from a witness.

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the best part of the universe will be when earth manages to contact a planet that has life in another galaxy and then talk about beliefs. i just hope it’s as well developed as earth if not better so that we won’t have to teach them what fire is. i also hope infinite life is invented long before that. and magic and hovecrafts.

that’s when the era of star wars begins.

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doooo doooooo do do do dooooo doo

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STARWARS?

Anyway, when it comes to holy scripts written by a polytheistic religion long before Jesus was born that are supposed to be historical records of something that actually happened (Y’know, kinda like the bible), I tend to think they weren’t prophesying (turns out prophesising isn’t a word. Thank you spell check) for another religion that wasn’t even heard of yet.

And if you can say that was a prophesy, it’s just as easy for me to say the same thing about the bible and that Jesus hasn’t been born yet, since the books are meant to do the same thing. (Although in the case of the Egyptians, it seems like they are working towards controlling rather than converting, and the bible seems to be focused on converting.)

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that’s…not quite what i meant

I mean I always end up in some argument with my family because of my atheism and the person I’m arguing with always says “im right because the bible says im right” that bullshit in a hat, that’s why I’m currently on my own, (yay for the canadian legal system accepting this)

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my family doesnt know of my atheism xD
theyre all way to chritian and i’d be forced to go to chruch if i called bullshit on god xD

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Syntax Man, you clearly lived with some blind-faith people who let others do the thinking for them. I would hope that you aren’t letting the increasingly-common outspoken atheists do the thinking for you, just falling in line with them and letting their words defend you like the blind-faith people do.

Candy Man Criminal, I think you are the kind of person who simply likes to walk around with their chest huffed out and say, “I’m atheist,” thinking it makes you more respectable. Maybe you would see something positive if you were looking for something positive rather than looking for reasons not to believe. I think you should talk with your family about it.

I’m totally evangelizing and trying to incite change here. And I certainly believe that’s the right thing for me to do. But I’m not going to force you to do anything, because that’s not even possible, so please don’t act like I am. :stuck_out_tongue:

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ive looked for reasons to believe
ive tried to believe
ive read bits and piece of the bible

i just dont

also i dont walk around anywhere, chest huffed out or otherwise
im usually the one to steer the conversation completely away from religion
also ive seen what kind of things religion has done for my family

theres always some new drama or fight, usually cause by religion + alcohol
politics too <_<

edit*
nice green btw

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Being an atheist does make you more respectable. Or less archaic, at least.

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QFT on the Nice green. Syntax, those people who say that “I’m right because God says so” may be believers in God, but they don’t follow his word well, because thats not how God wants us to witness to people. He wants us to go to the masses, and be with people who do bad things and stuff (not like join a gang and kill people) so we can witness, just by being different. saying that Im right because… is ignorant, and they’re not helping like they should.

CMC, People in your family drink? Well, thats not supposed to happen as far as I remember, (correct me if I’m wrong DeProg) and I know it seems like “there’s no God” because when you pray (if you have) nothing happens, because thats how God runs things. Everything you will ever do, say, and think is already planned out. God already decided your life. (sounds crazy, I almost went EMO over thinking this) He knows your heart, listens to what you have to say to him, and loves you. You are his child. Everyone is a child of God. Atheists, Agnostics, heck, even Scientologists. He made us all. (yet again, all powerful, don’t over think) The Bible is a very complicated book, and very few people can understand it the first time reading it, without a believer explaining it.

Liks, same goes for you. Also, I have seen my share of miracles. I’m a miracle in fact. I was born with (and still have) five heart defects. Some that don’t really matter, others that are very quickly fatal. Also, I had Sub-Acute Endocarditis a few years ago, and if it hadn’t been acute, I’d be dead right now. Endocarditis is fatal. Some people from our church had tumors in their brains from overexposure to carbon monoxide, because they had no Carbon Monoxide detector in their apartment. They had a tumor the size of a golfball in their brain, and the doctors said they would die shortly. Our church prayed for them, and something un-explainable by science happened. The tumors were gone. No medical way that that could happen. Lots of other things have happened, and it would take a lot of time to say all of them. All I’m going for, is that God is real to me, and has done real things.

BTW, this is a crappy job explaining this, and my father could do much better. My dad is the executive pastor of music and worship at church. He knows lotsa Jesus stuff.

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Fuck that, dude.
God doesn’t have our lives planned out. Everything we do is not chosen by God. That just doesn’t even make sense.
If that was true, there would be no such thing as right or wrong, and sin wouldn’t even exist, since “God made us do it.”
I don’t buy that.

Sorry, but “perfect beings” aren’t tyrants.

Edit: lol, thinking about this after I posted it, all I could think of is Arthas saying “Your will… is not your own…” when you talk to him as a Deathknight in WoW.

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“i plan this one to kill this one…”
“oh and this one will rape this one”
“he’s gunna start the next huge war…”
“hmmm… oh this guy is TOTALLY creating a poison to wipe of millions of people”

yeah, god plans

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Yeah, that’s kind of what I was thinking.
Oh, and this baby is going to die five minutes after birth due to a defective lung.

And I’m going to have this guy convert someone away from Christianity 'cuz he smells funny.
Smelly Christians. Can’t have that.

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xDDD
i lol’d

hard

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Funny, he does plan everything. He lets Satan do all the bad things. Tru Fax. Also, with the whole quote from WoW, thats actually right. Your will isn’t your own. Thats just how you perceive it. Bad things happen because of Satan. God lets him do those things. Not sure why, but we deserve worse.

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I still call bullshit.
God lets Satan influence people enough to pull them away from God and heaven and into hell?

What makes you even think this?
I certainly hope the bible doesn’t say that, because it would be just another thing to add to the good 'ol biblical contradictions list.
Bible also talks about testing people’s faith. But according to you God is the one choosing whether or not they have faith.

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lol religion being contradictory to itself

have faith becuase… we tell you to!

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If god existed and had planned things out I would have been convinced by those hours in church listing to some self-important pillock reading a glorified story book and trying to explain meaning in it

and what i meant earlier was that people say “the bible is right because it says its right” that circular logic and bullshit that religion perpetuates

also if god really sends people to hell for not believing in him then he’s just an arrogant self-important, conceited shit head

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No, I believe people go to hell when they actually hate God. (Edit: Thus falling completely into Satan’s grasp. Although apparently that’s because God lets them? <_<)
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And apparently Jesus, although I don’t know why Christianity focuses on Jesus so much. They almost focus on him more than they do on God.

Syntax, that’s called dogma, and that circular logic just shows how dogmatic they can be.
Please note I’m not saying all Christians are that way, just… a lot of them.
And I’m not pointing fingers at anyone here. I’m actually fairly impressed by how little dogma I’ve seen in this thread.

(Dogma: Blindly believing whatever they are told and totally ignoring every opposing argument that comes their way by saying “It is because a few old writers said that big guns said so.”)

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agreed so hard